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  • (English) Statement from BCA about “viral” airbag video

(English) Statement from BCA about “viral” airbag video

Posted on Februar 10th, 2012 by edge | 18 responses
 

  • Froto

    WEAK !!!!!!

    • Dmb

      You’re a moron froto! Let me guess, you are the over educated, non risk taking, low angle meadow skipping, tele skiing, MMQB, safety Bob who likes to bash every opinion outside of yours? Go back into your hole.

      • Beth Cline

         Why exactly do you have to take an opportunity to discuss a situation into a personal affront or attack Dmb?  Why are you not man or woman enough to properly identify yourself when you attack others?  Why does it matter what angle a person skis as it pertains to this particular video?  I will readily admit to skiing 25 – 30 degree slopes on high hazard days such as the one in the video, to reduce my exposure to avalanches.  There are plenty of days that I will ski above 30 degrees, if the conditions warrant.  The decision to ski a lower angle slope is one of great intelligence in using the back country to your advantage, not one to be thrown in the face of someone else implying that they are not good enough to share a ski slope.  Please check yourself and your attitude because there are plenty of dead people out there who may have been killed by avalanches, but it was their hubris that ultimately got them killed!

      • Jesse Logan

        Interesting you call Froto a moron. Unless I missed something here, he was not the one caght in an avalanche!

  • Froto

    Folks like Meesh are not “keeping risk constant.”  They are taking risk to ridiculous levels and its ridiculous that BCA is peddling this spin of what really happened.

    What BCA conveniently avoids in making these points is that folks like Meesh are not just putting herself and her group at extreme risk, but also putting others at risk who have not made the choice to take risk to that extreme level, whether it be groups touring in the same area or search and rescue folks.  It boggles me that BCA can still defend Meesh and her group as taking acceptable risks.  There is a difference between acceptable risk and sheer stupidity.  From what BCA is saying here, sounds like they would support folks doing the most avy-prone BC lines with no avy ed, no beacon, no shovel, no probe, no airbag or avalung, and no partner so long as they made the personal decision to accept that risk to aggressively seek additional reward.  The BC does not exist in a vacuum, and risky behavior by some can seriously endanger others who never signed up for that level of risk….or stupidity.      

    • JD

       I didnt get that message et all from BCA’s reply. The back country community is in a better place with all innovations from safety gear development companies such as BCA, who most certainly care about all peoples safety in the mountains. As always you cant change peoples bad decisions or mistakes, you can only hope to encourage a mindset of safety and education which BCA certainly does. The rest is up to individual choice just like the decision to go into the mountains whether it be skiing,boarding or sledding. Perhaps a question you can ask yourself if what have you done lately other than bash to help fellow mountian enthusiasts !

    • Ryancruze

      To froto, I was there that morning and Helped make the decision to ski cut and ride the slope, you don’t know the variables or the situation that was going on, so just chill out on the hating and go ride your green slopes. We made all proper protocol to keep everyone else safe, she didn’t jeopardize any one else’s life, so thanks for your opinion that is based on knowing nothing about the situation.

      • guest

        just curious, not to blast but rather educate myself, did you guys dig a pit?  if so, what test and what results did you get?  it doesn’t seem that there was a terrain trap, def a good thing for a high risk line. was there any loading?  what was the rating?  thanks a ton.  lately I’ve been curious about how 6 sigma relates to avys.

    • Guest

      Huh?  Really?  That’s waaay out on an extreme of interpretation.  Settle down please.

  • Cmsstoneworks

    No where in that article did they imply that they condone the actions of those in the video.  Your missing 99% of that article and you already knew what you would take from it before you began reading it. 

  • Yours Truly

    I’m just glad that youtube and POVs weren’t around to capture all the dumb stuff I did when I was 21.  The product saved a life or prevented more serious injury.  It’s a good example of the product working correctly, whether you agree with the girl’s actions or not.  

    Every year there are more self proclaimed experts who MMQB every avalanche and how stupid the victims were.  It used to be pretty bad, but the internet, coupled with a high avy danger year, is causing this phenomenon to increase exponentially.  If you’ve been around a while, you realize that you just go out, do your thing, and don’t worry about what everyone else is doing out there.BTW  I wonder how many drunk drivers have been saved by airbags in cars?  Kind of a similar situation…

  • http://www.adamcu.com/ Adam

    I view my transceiver and airbag as the equivalent of a seatbelt and airbag in a car.  I wear the seatbelt all the time and the airbag has never gone off but I’m glad it’s there, just in case.

    I don’t drive recklessly and I don’t ski recklessly but I drive on roads with thousands of other people and I ski in mountains with a million constantly changing variables.  Sometimes things happen, whether it’s a lapse in my mountain judgement or some moron changing lanes w/o signaling, and I want to be prepared. 

    Simple as that. 

  • Huge.Snowballs

    Sounds like Froto is better than the rest of us.  

  • Bryan

    If this is the case then you should re-edit the video to look like one of those car commercials where because the driver is being really stupid it says “don’t try this at home, stupid person attempting this” on the bottom of the screen. Perhaps the re-edit should include the avy danger for the day so that through education those watching can make a mental choice on if they would be on that slope.
    Although I disagree with the dangers that day I am sure the party had a rescue plan and each member was trained to respond. The video does not show this and will present a false sense of security to those new to side/back country skiing.
    I agree education is key and have always appreciated the resources BCA makes available including DVDs, posters & beacon training parks. It’s to bad the video doesn’t highlight any of these good things you guys usually stand for and promote.

  • http://twitter.com/danielpdunn Daniel Dunn

    Thanks Bruce, once again, you’ve proven to be one of the cool people in the outdoor industry. We’ve met personally met many times, and I know how much you and BCA invest in education and avie awareness classes. I appreciate your stance on all of this, and I encourage you and BCA to keep up the great work!

  • Ellen

    As important as avy education is, I feel like what’s missing in our ‘education’ is the psychology and the group dynamics behind backcountry skiing, especially in larger groups or with folks you don’t know. Or even if you’re a solo skier, being able to be honest with yourself and what drives you. That’s the lesson which needs to be taught more.

  • Beth Cline

    Just as long as BCA does not reward this type of behavior with a sponsorship, I will continue to support BCA with my consumerism.  I say this because I firmly believe that this was a stunt completed to attain more attention for a little-known rider.  I too have ridden the exact same line up Dear Creek, but did so on a day with low avalanche hazard, not high hazard as was seen on the 25th.  Had her actions not ended up as she and her group had planned, then an entire crew of local avalanche professionals would have been dispatched to recover her body.  These professionals, who also use BCA products, would have been placed in a dangerous position and risked their lives just to bring her family back her BODY; this is something people in the back country do not understand fully.  By the way, the most recent avalanche in the side country outside of Telluride could give a glimpse of how the Montezuma snowboarder could have turned out.  While BCA produces amazing products,  nothing is ever 100%.  Just as the inflatable pack is one piece of the safety gear, so is a person’s head!

  • White Mountain Apache

    Im just glad Meesh is safe. It really disgusts me that the first thing some people say when they hear about an avalanche victim is how stupid they are. 

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